![]() If you want me to find you exact quote, let me know, and I'll do it (even it's very common known thing (and this is why I didn't bother to search exact quote). This is one of the questions that I think is fully resolved, because in Silmarillion there is a several times mentioned that Morgoth couldn't create anything. Now, let's get back to your initial questions, and the main was: "Can Ainur create living stuff from nothing"? One of my friend said once: "if Tolkien lived another 20-30 years, he would still not finish Silmarillion", and I believe it's truth, and it's really sad that this creative mind didn't lived, at least 350 years longer.īut since I have similar belief as professor, I believe that he is still writing and improving his world in afterlife, and I believe that once we left this world, we might get a chance to enjoy extended Silmarillion, and all our questions will be resolved. In terms of Lore accuracy, I personally put Silmarillion to 80-90%, and it's maximum score that Christopher could have done, given what amount he had to process, and the fact that Tolkien died before he could make final decisions about many stuff. I personally adore Christopher, and I think Tolkien couldn't have better son to sort out all of his work, with more care and attention, and love, and Silmarillion is my favorite book of all time. Silmarillion is released under the careful observation of whole HOME stuff under Tolkien beloved son Christopher, and he chooses only the segment that he thought that are most completed, and most likely to be Tolkien final choice. Only Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are released under Tolkien approval, so these are only books were we could be certain that is LORE 100%. What I think you are doing wrong, is taking as a reference a whole HOME opus, and HOME is pretty much everything Tolkien written about M.E. (or hurt).Īll that said, I'll be coming back to a few more spots in SIL as well.Ĭlick to expand.It's not daft questions bro. and who knows, maybe we'll lern more after the new edition of Letters comes out in November with its over a hundred added items. He says some things about the Orcs in his Letters. I suspect the passage was written earlier in his writings and abandoned later, as he refers to Gnomes here, which were abandoned as well. So his ability to 'give it a heart' and have tons and tons of living Orcs roaming about is. However, I DO know it conflicts with Aule's making of the Dwarves from stone, and his ability to only animate one at a time.Īnd Aule was THE master craftsman of all things of the earth, of which Morgoth only 'received a part' as he did of the powers of all the other Ainur. and not being Elthir (or others) I can't yet explain it. This with its reference you have provided is the first time I've seen it. I just need to get back to the places I have felt it has been spoken to best, to present the 'why' of my perspective. I may find, on the matter of Eru's allowance of Ainur to 'create', my current 'perspective' (not 'opinion,' these are different things) turns out to be incorrect. Thus my own obsession with understanding many, many things are 'speculative' at best. Nor a 'daft answer.' (Though our "Misunderstanding Tolkien." thread may seem to contradict the statement. It is merest speculation.Ĭlick to expand.Given Tolkien's inconsistency, I'm not sure there is a 'daft question'. We don't have a need to "prove the Ainur couldn't create." We have a need to prove they COULD. The text repeatedly tells us new creatures were 'fashioned', 'molded', or 'bred'. The text never shows us a 'creation' (which means bringing from nothing' in any case at any time any where. From that point, all other things were just twistings and remakings and abusings to come up with 'other.' All using existing materials.Īs Tolkien himself said he sub-created Middle-earth to be a largely Catholic work, it would not enter his mind to allow any other than the " God" of his sub-creation to be able to 'create'. Only what was at the time He said "let these things "be" actually "became". Not to create.Īnd NONE of it was 'created' until Eru said "let these things BE." (And frankly, still limited forever afterward as well.)Įru gave them permission to 'adorn' his Themes. In fact, they were all limited in knowledge. He twisted them from Elves, large worms and other existing things.Ĭreation and mimicry are very different things.Įru did not give the Ainur permission or power to 'create'. Melcor did not 'create' the Orcs or Dragons. ![]() Eru 'created' them to be a people with their own life AFTER Aule was ready to smash them for his disobedience to Eru. He was only able to 'animate' one at a time, and then not with 'life'. He 'made' them from existing earthy type materials. this keeps getting covered but doesn't seem to reach the target.Īule did not 'create' the Dwarves.
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